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	<title>Comments on: Note To David Frum, David Brooks, Kathleen Parker, Peggy Noonan, Chris Buckley, et al.&#8211;UPDATED</title>
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		<title>By: Evangelical Collapse Damned Unlikely</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evangelical Collapse Damned Unlikely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I would argue, precisely because of it.  People naturally rebel against the smarty pants set.  As I noted when Barack Obama created a backlash with his remarks about &#8220;bitter people who [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Robohobo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robohobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 19:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Admit it, according to the list, you are really a Demoncrat. Time for an intervention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Admit it, according to the list, you are really a Demoncrat. Time for an intervention.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Rasch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Rasch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where does your belief  that McCain would&#039;ve been more fiscally prudent or protective of liberty than Obama come from?   

A few things to remember about McCain: 

- McCain &quot;suspended&quot; his campaign to go twist arms to get the first TARP bailout passed.  What makes you think he wouldn&#039;t have supported the subsequent bailouts and stimulus packages? 

- McCain was responsible for McCain-Feingold, the biggest imposition on freedom of speech (political speech, at that) in recent times.  

- McCain was a leader in the Senate during the 6 years that the Republicans controlled all three branches of government, during which time government spending increased by more than it had since LBJ (excluding the 3+ trillion dollars the war in Iraq will cost). 

- McCain expressed support for warrant-less wiretapping of U.S. citizens. 

Note I&#039;m no fan of Obama.  His policies have been almost uniformly terrible. But McCain would&#039;ve been no better overall.  The best that could be said of McCain from my perspective is that he would&#039;ve had a lot more trouble getting his agenda passed through a Democratic congress than Obama has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where does your belief  that McCain would&#8217;ve been more fiscally prudent or protective of liberty than Obama come from?   </p>
<p>A few things to remember about McCain: </p>
<p>- McCain &#8220;suspended&#8221; his campaign to go twist arms to get the first TARP bailout passed.  What makes you think he wouldn&#8217;t have supported the subsequent bailouts and stimulus packages? </p>
<p>- McCain was responsible for McCain-Feingold, the biggest imposition on freedom of speech (political speech, at that) in recent times.  </p>
<p>- McCain was a leader in the Senate during the 6 years that the Republicans controlled all three branches of government, during which time government spending increased by more than it had since LBJ (excluding the 3+ trillion dollars the war in Iraq will cost). </p>
<p>- McCain expressed support for warrant-less wiretapping of U.S. citizens. </p>
<p>Note I&#8217;m no fan of Obama.  His policies have been almost uniformly terrible. But McCain would&#8217;ve been no better overall.  The best that could be said of McCain from my perspective is that he would&#8217;ve had a lot more trouble getting his agenda passed through a Democratic congress than Obama has.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 04:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up in the most republican state in the nation.  I listened to rush for almost 10 years from 1991 - 2001.  Through high school and most of college I was a hard core republican.  I&#039;m still a conservative but as of 2002 I stopped being a republican.  I&#039;m basically the David Brooks loving conservative that you all seem to despise.  Let me just give you a little insight to why the republicans are destined to be a minority party until they start governing with competence. Because that&#039;s what this really comes down to, the crazies in the conservative movement can blame this on the media, ignorant voters, elites, what ever, but the truth is I want to vote for competence.  

Let me give you some examples of extreme republican incompetence.

1. The Iraq war 
2. Terry Schiavo 
3. Not letting California set their own environmental standards.
4. Not passing Immigration reform
5. Federal prosecuting of California marijuana offenders that are legal under California law.
6. Massive Deficits over the last 8 years
7. A push for a ban on same sex marriage
8. A push for a ban on abortions
9. A border fence
10. Infringements on privacy

That&#039;s just off the top of my head.  So far I&#039;m still happier with Obama at the helm even with the pork that&#039;s going on than anything the republicans want to do.  I&#039;ll come back to the republicans once they show some conservative competence.  As it is now, I&#039;ll choose competence I don&#039;t agree with than incompetence that I don&#039;t understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in the most republican state in the nation.  I listened to rush for almost 10 years from 1991 &#8211; 2001.  Through high school and most of college I was a hard core republican.  I&#8217;m still a conservative but as of 2002 I stopped being a republican.  I&#8217;m basically the David Brooks loving conservative that you all seem to despise.  Let me just give you a little insight to why the republicans are destined to be a minority party until they start governing with competence. Because that&#8217;s what this really comes down to, the crazies in the conservative movement can blame this on the media, ignorant voters, elites, what ever, but the truth is I want to vote for competence.  </p>
<p>Let me give you some examples of extreme republican incompetence.</p>
<p>1. The Iraq war<br />
2. Terry Schiavo<br />
3. Not letting California set their own environmental standards.<br />
4. Not passing Immigration reform<br />
5. Federal prosecuting of California marijuana offenders that are legal under California law.<br />
6. Massive Deficits over the last 8 years<br />
7. A push for a ban on same sex marriage<br />
8. A push for a ban on abortions<br />
9. A border fence<br />
10. Infringements on privacy</p>
<p>That&#8217;s just off the top of my head.  So far I&#8217;m still happier with Obama at the helm even with the pork that&#8217;s going on than anything the republicans want to do.  I&#8217;ll come back to the republicans once they show some conservative competence.  As it is now, I&#8217;ll choose competence I don&#8217;t agree with than incompetence that I don&#8217;t understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrienne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrienne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His own budget guy Orszag admitted in the congressional budget hearings that they took the surge level spending in Iraq, which was meant to be temporary, and projected it out for ten years as expenditures, and then subtracted it, and called it savings. Obama lied about how he got these so-called savings, as they are not real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His own budget guy Orszag admitted in the congressional budget hearings that they took the surge level spending in Iraq, which was meant to be temporary, and projected it out for ten years as expenditures, and then subtracted it, and called it savings. Obama lied about how he got these so-called savings, as they are not real.</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wesley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, but I agree with Tom above.  Call it the bourgeoisie sticking together despite differences in ideology.  It&#039;s the idea that since Obama was a Columbia/Harvard guy that he was too smart to be a far left guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, but I agree with Tom above.  Call it the bourgeoisie sticking together despite differences in ideology.  It&#8217;s the idea that since Obama was a Columbia/Harvard guy that he was too smart to be a far left guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Magoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Magoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 09:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melissa
        What source did you consult that convinced you Obama &quot;lied&quot; about the subject of the Iraq budget?

Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melissa<br />
        What source did you consult that convinced you Obama &#8220;lied&#8221; about the subject of the Iraq budget?</p>
<p>Dan</p>
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		<title>By: Trish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 04:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snoop--

You&#039;re partially right.  Sometimes &quot;moderate&quot; means &quot;I don&#039;t want to try to defend my position because I know I&#039;ll lose.&quot;  Sometimes it also means, &quot;I know nothing about this issue, and don&#039;t intend to educate myself.&quot;
But don&#039;t kid yourself.  Obama is never going to own any disaster.  Everything is going to be the big, bad Conservatives&#039; fault, and a call for more government.</description>
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<p>You&#8217;re partially right.  Sometimes &#8220;moderate&#8221; means &#8220;I don&#8217;t want to try to defend my position because I know I&#8217;ll lose.&#8221;  Sometimes it also means, &#8220;I know nothing about this issue, and don&#8217;t intend to educate myself.&#8221;<br />
But don&#8217;t kid yourself.  Obama is never going to own any disaster.  Everything is going to be the big, bad Conservatives&#8217; fault, and a call for more government.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark J. Goluskin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark J. Goluskin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 00:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great post. I would like you to take a peek at my note to David Frum http://rightviewfromtheleftcoast.blogspot.com/2009/03/david-frum-needs-to-shut-his-hole.html
Don&#039;t let the blunt title fool you! I can not believe when the so-called moderate right lowers itself to the Kos Kids and Puffington Post level. Yes, this really helps the conservative cause. Oh, BTW, by the moderate, elite standards, one Ronald Wilson Reagan should NEVER have been president. After all, he only attended itty bitty Eureka College, a-the horror-CHRISTIAN college! These people need to work with and for what we agree with. NOT GIVE THE OTHER SIDE AMMO!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great post. I would like you to take a peek at my note to David Frum <a href="http://rightviewfromtheleftcoast.blogspot.com/2009/03/david-frum-needs-to-shut-his-hole.html" rel="nofollow">http://rightviewfromtheleftcoast.blogspot.com/2009/03/david-frum-needs-to-shut-his-hole.html</a><br />
Don&#8217;t let the blunt title fool you! I can not believe when the so-called moderate right lowers itself to the Kos Kids and Puffington Post level. Yes, this really helps the conservative cause. Oh, BTW, by the moderate, elite standards, one Ronald Wilson Reagan should NEVER have been president. After all, he only attended itty bitty Eureka College, a-the horror-CHRISTIAN college! These people need to work with and for what we agree with. NOT GIVE THE OTHER SIDE AMMO!</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heard John Ziegler (www.howobamagotelected.com)last week and he described Barack Obama as considered &quot;too big to fail&quot; by the MSM and some of the &quot;moderate&quot; types you noted above.

Great post Melissa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heard John Ziegler (www.howobamagotelected.com)last week and he described Barack Obama as considered &#8220;too big to fail&#8221; by the MSM and some of the &#8220;moderate&#8221; types you noted above.</p>
<p>Great post Melissa.</p>
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