Sarah Palin Topless Photos Revealed!–UPDATED
August 30, 2008 / 11:12 am • By Dr. Melissa ClouthierNowhere else on the web will you find what you find here. Scroll down for more excitement or just Lefty insanity revealed.
It’s already vicious. And they’re going after her experience, but here is the best response via an Insty commenter:
Reporter: MR. McCain, how do you respond to charges that Palin has no experience?
McCain: If Obama had as much experience as Ms. Palin, he’d be ready for the VP slot, too.
The Anchoress notes the Obama’s ungenerous spirit demonstrated by his initial response to Palin’s candidacy and also how he’s treated Hillary Clinton. Like the Anchoress, I’m happy to have a candidate who is a working class woman. I am so damn sick of the effete, elite, Ivy league snobs telling Americans how they know more than you. MaxedOutMama feels the same and had her first political orgasm (my husband was a little disturbed at my enthusiasm).
Finally, someone who’s one of us. Finally a political woman who is like the women I know in real life. A woman who wouldn’t have hysterics if offered deer meat, a woman who hasn’t acquired the weary, traumatized Ivy ennui and distaste for real life and real people. A woman who understands it’s a problem if truckers can’t make a living and people can’t stay warm in the winter. A woman who’s shriekingly Middle America and middle class, and would sit down and have a cup of coffee with her plumber. A woman who’d date a plumber.
Yep. And I like her husband, too. He’s hot. He’s a real, manly man. He hunts, fishes, works oil rigs, snowmobiles and takes care of his family. And as “first dude” he’ll be taking care of the family so his wife can serve her country. So, they are a progressive family.
The fact that these people are normal and average will bring the hate. Remember when I was in Key West and I heard a woman sneer that “breeders shouldn’t be allowed here”? Yeah, well, the breeder-hating folks, Gaia-worshiping, gun-hating, church-loathing folks will come out in force. MOM went over to the DU and found this:
And just watch them tying themselves in knots here – the vitriol is spattering everywhere:
24. ohmygod. Calm down.
Stop attacking her because she is a mother or a female. Stop with the whore and bitch comments.
Talk about the issues. Dang–where are all the progressives?
A progressive responds:
31. I will attack her for whatever reason suits the purpose of making her look bad to my audience.When I am among secular people I will attack her for being a religious zealot. When I am among people from church, I will attack her for being of a heterodox denomination. When I am among liberals I will attack her for her conservative views. When I am among conservatives I will attack her for her for anything they are prove to view as shortcomings in ideology. When I am among women, I will deride the obvious pandering of her nomination and the fact that McCain must not think much of womens’ intelligence, when I am among conservative men who dislike women in authority, I will rub their noses in it.
If I can attack her for opposite reasons over the course of an afternoon, I will consider it an accomplishment.
Same goes for Johnny Boy.
Sexism, thy name is progressive. Of course, conservative women, especially in the blogosphere know this. Most have been subjected to vile treatment, myself included. Eh, whatever. Sarah Palin is tough. She can weather it. Another tough woman, Michelle Malkin, is thrilled with the choice. So are her readers. Both women mess things up for liberals–married, kids, career, conservative politics. It’s all too much. Women, especially, must fit into a category and when they don’t, they pay.
You’re going to hear about, if you haven’t already, about “Troopergate”. Might as well know the truth, because you won’t get it from the MSM.
And what you won’t find here, and I know this is disappointing, is naked pictures of Sarah Palin. Ace gave me the idea for the headline when he posted this:
Lefties are furiously scouring the internet for Sarah Palin’s old position papers on NAFTA.
Just kidding. They say they want to keep the debate elevated and discuss the issues, but that is, of course, like so much of what they say, an utter lie. Mitigated only by the fact they’re so self-deluded about their own righteous virtue and lofty intellectualism they almost believe it themselves.
So what are they looking for?
Well, check out the search which just landed on my site. And the various lefty sites encouraging searching in this direction.
That about sums up the Left. Jeff Goldstein, ever salient, had me laughing as usual:
See, this is why journos in the bag for Obama should await the royal talking points before opening their dullard yaps.
But that was only the warm-up. Here’s the gist:
But in making this argument — that a 72-year old candidate is almost certain to kick while in office — what you have further done is begun alienating aging boomers who will soon be McCain’s age, questioning their worth and viability, throwing into doubt their general competence.
– Which means Roberts has managed to 1) highlight the inexperience of the Dem candidate for president by going after the inexperience of the Republican candidate for vice president; 2) has managed to make an implied argument that the inexperience of a woman is somehow more dangerous than the inexperience of a man, or a man of (half) color; and 3) has managed to make an ageist argument that could, at some level, get aging Dem Boomers to believe that their party thinks of them as prop voters, necessary for victory, but after that, to be set afloat on an ice chunk and allowed to drift off serenely into the great political beyond.
Add to that the calculus that many Hillary supporters will be thinking, “that should have been Hillary!” and what we have here is a perfect storm of identity politics for the Dems to try to steer their shiny yacht through safely.
The Lefties are crazed because Sarah Palin is a she, a mother, a conservative, and has the nerve to have a mind of her own, a job of her own, and an actual maverick. Plus, she’s hot. That’s the final straw.
No topless pictures, alas, but if there were, it would help, not hurt her. Be careful what you look for Dems, you might just find it.
Pictures here doing scandalous things like visiting troops in Germany, standing with her family in front of a mountain, you know, bad stuff.
Update: Ed Morrissey smells desperation. I smell something.
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Here’s the essence of it, from Ted Bronson:
The Left, capital “L”, (and can tell you much I HATE having to group the democrats, the environuts, the commies, socialists, and progressives, the feminists, and the gottdammed ufologists into a single label) has been telling us for decades that a woman can do anything, go anywhere, be everything to all and still be a woman. As long as she happens to be a liberal and conform to their agenda. It must be some kind of special hell to them to see a successful woman who isn’t. For decades, THEY have said that women shouldn’t have to stay home and take care of the babies if they don’t want to. Hire a nanny. Force your office to provide day care. Hell, you don’t even need to have a husband to have a baby, but it shouldn’t keep you from pursuing your own dreams or career. Paraphrasing something I heard recently: you shouldn’t be punished with a baby. So instead of standing up and saying “Wow, Sister. You sure are strong to have five kids and a career”, I have heard all day about how she shouldn’t have continued her career since her fifth baby was born with DS. I have heard women, WOMEN, saying that she should have aborted the baby when she found out it was going to be born with Down’s but since she didn’t, she should have had the grace to step out of public life to take care of it full time. I have heard folks today saying that there is no way she should even consider public life with a child that young, even if the boy didn’t have Down’s. These were all folks from Left saying this. The same ones who wouldn’t recognize hypocrisy if it French Kissed their grandmother.
The Left are the same ones who said Clarence Thomas and Gen. Powell were sell-outs to their race.
The Left are the same ones who ran New Orleans and Louisiana for generations and did nothing but beg for help after Katrina when their HARDER hit neighbors in Mississippi were taking care of themselves, while at the same time William Jefferson, D-LA, had National Guard troops haul his ass out to his house to collect $90,000 in cash that he still hasn’t explained.
The Left are the same ones who scream for alt energy but won’t let transmission lines go up.
The Left are the same ones who voted for the war before they voted against it.
You idiots on the Left are so wrapped up in the idea of power for it’s own sake, so that you can enforce your own twisted will on the rest of the populace, that you can’t even see you are using the same argument against Gov. Palin that you would have burned flags, bras, and effigies about forty years ago.
If there were only naked pictures. Gun pictures. They’re almost as good.
More at Amused Cynic: “Joe ‘Pitbull’ Biden meet Sarah “Barracuda” Palin”
139 Responses to “Sarah Palin Topless Photos Revealed!–UPDATED”
August 30 2008 / 11:41 am
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Dr. M, this is unbelievable. They are going bonkers. The ugliness. She should stay home because she has a Downs child (like most women even have the option?), she has too many kids so she should stay home with them, she’s stupid and reckless for having so many kids, she wasn’t really pregnant (her daughter was), the daughter was pregnant by the father so it was covered up – it goes on and on. I’ve never seen such meanness. Kos is worse than DU.
Over at Althouse there was this comment:
Blogger Trumpit said…
Why do you admire her for knowingly, willingly bringing a Down’s baby into this world? That’s asking for a life of pain and suffering. Most people aren’t rich like she is and Uncle Sam ends up by picking up the tab for the special care and education a retarded child requires. You’re all into higher taxes and additional burdens and sacrifices that all will bear for her selfish poor choice. She’s a stupid selfish moron for not aborting her child. I only mean that in a kind and loving way. What kind of retarded monster would bring a retard into the world? I, for sure, wouldn’t, and I’m smart, intelligent and moral like she obviously isn’t.
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August 30 2008 / 11:50 am
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The cumulative hate reveals them for who they really are. Would they have been as awful to Romney? Probably close, but there wouldn’t be the sexist attacks. Ugh. Sickening.
August 30 2008 / 1:03 pm
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Heh… yeah, I came to this article because of the title… I saw it linked as a Trackback at Michelle Malkin’s site.
I knew nothing about Palin yesterday, and initially thought that her choice was a fine strategy by McCain, but didn’t know if I approved of her as a ‘job applicant’ if you see the difference.
So far, I’m mightily impressed… she’d have no chance running for the Presidency, of course. She doesn’t have the political machine on a National level to fundraise or PR the thing. But if (God forbid) John McCain doesn’t live out his full term, she’d be a FINE President. Judging purely from her actions as Governor, I think we’d be in good hands.
So congrats on tying up the Commentariat, and making the Obama campaign fight her on identy politics… great sucker moves. But more so on finding somebody in the top tier of Elected Office who could actually do the job.
I’m sold.
August 30 2008 / 1:10 pm
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I am surprised at McCain’s choice but I think she is dynamic. I can’t stomach all the ugliness that has already so quickly began. She is a tough cookie though and I think she is not going to be distracted by the games and idiotic remarks. You are right, they are revealing who they are. As if we did not already know. Right?
Great post!
August 30 2008 / 1:17 pm
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That comment at Althouse is reflective, I think, of many of the “elite” who don’t know anyone with Down Syndrome, would immediately abort their own child if it had an extra chromosome, and are simply AFRAID of anything they do not understand. It is pathetic and sad.
And these people, yammering on like this, are exposing the rotten core at the heart of democrat “tolerance” and “inclusion.”
August 30 2008 / 1:36 pm
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I was watching the other networks yesterday and last night (i.e. the leftist ones) to see what they had to say and I wasn’t surprised by any of it. The political pundits on CNN and MSNBC were literally flipping out about this. I think part of the nastiness right now is that McCain basically hookwinked the media. He made the MSM think he was going to pick Pawlenty, they took the bait and he did a switcheroo (and made them look stupid in the process). Obviously this was well planned and it did take the sails out of Obama coming out of the convention (and let’s face it, Obama’s the media’s darling). Most of the attacks at this point look pretty clumsy and will probably backfire on them in the long term.
I would say that McCain has the presidency (+3-4% on Nov. 4th is my prediction) at this point, unless he or Palin do something incredibly stupid (unlikely). I don’t think the liberal pundits understand that Palin is well-known on the right and the pick was mainly to unite the conservative base behind McCain. Any other support is a bonus. McCain cannot win without the conservatives, which up to Friday, was lukewarm at best. McCain has run a solid campaign thus far. I think Biden and Obama have more of a chance of shooting their mouths off and doing something dumb at this point.
August 30 2008 / 2:06 pm
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McCain/Palin win in a landslide.
August 30 2008 / 3:08 pm
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Xixi,
I’ve been saying McCain in a landslide before Palin. Time will tell. I have to give Obama credit, though, he is as conniving a politician as has come down the pipe in a long time. He beat the Clintons after all. Of course, that game isn’t over yet either. The Clintons will exact their pound of flesh before it is all said and done.
Obama-Biden vs. McCain-Palin. Identity, is it still part of this, or has that been neutralized and now ideas actually matter? We’ll see.
August 30 2008 / 3:36 pm
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Years ago, I was also pro-abortion. The pro-life people all warned that it would lead to decreased respect for the lives of the elderly and disabled. I scoffed. I was sure that was absolute, hysterical nonsense.
It’s happening, here and now, just like they said it would. That “smart, intelligent, moral” comment is only a tiny example.
Now, I believe that a child should have a parent at home, and we have made many sacrifices to make that possible in my family. But whether or not you agree with that, the mainstream media does NOT agree. They do not respect homemakers. Why, then, suggest Palin stay home with her baby when they (or their wives) would never do the same? They wouldn’t have asked the question of a man, to be sure, but they also wouldn’t have asked it of a liberal woman.
And has anyone else noticed how many of the Palin-bashers in the blogosphere are also taking sideswipes at Michelle Malkin? Sad.
August 30 2008 / 9:01 pm
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Heaven forbid the FATHER help raise the little boy with Downs Syndrome.
Lefties tend to forget that some of us Dads DO help raise our kids.
If we really wanted to tweak the left, just mention that there’s a village ready to help raise the child.
August 30 2008 / 9:20 pm
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all the way
August 30 2008 / 10:01 pm
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I thought the Republican Party didn’t believe in affirmative action. Why not Kay Bailey Hutchinson, oh yeah, it’s because she didn’t win a beauty pageant. I forgot, that’s all the qualification you need to be McCain’s third wife.
August 30 2008 / 10:12 pm
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Yes, Todd is currently the homemaking parent, and more power to them both for that.
I was hoping for some bathing-suit pictures, though. I need some pointers.
August 30 2008 / 10:55 pm
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Mrs. Grapevine,
I like Kay Bailey Hutchison, met her last year, in fact. She is a former cheerleader and newscaster herself. She is a beautiful woman, actually, so by your standards would be on McCain’s short list. She is also pro-choice and a Senator.
To me, both of these things bother me. It bugs me that McCain has no executive experience. At least Palin as Veep will. She’s a reformer. She’s a mom. She’s a Governor.
She is also beautiful. Would it be better if she wore pant-suits ala Hillary? Should she be penalized because she’s beautiful?
August 30 2008 / 11:29 pm
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Mrs. Grapevine–
Why not Kay Bailey Hutchison is that she is not pro-life. That would have sent a message, loud and clear: There is no place in the major political parties for anyone who is pro-life.
McCain listened to his constituents.
August 30 2008 / 11:49 pm
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All the people saying that, “now you can’t point out THE ONE’s inexperience”, miss the point. THE ONE is expecting to learn from the book, “Foreign Policy and How to Wield Executive Power” written by “Failed Policies of the Past” Joe Biden.
McCain has plans for the future. Palin already has the executive experience, and will be getting the same crash course in foreign policy over the next few months that THE ONE will be getting, (except from people that have actually been successful at it).
She is a proven budget cutter,(maybe we can get some of THE ONE’s earmark money back from the felon Rezko or the terrorist Ayers, but I digress).
She gave an eloquent speech, never once feeling the need to apologize for, nor criticize, the country or “bitter Americans”. THE ONE looks pained when he finally realizes he better say something GOOD about America, and always ends it with, “BUT…”
She loves capitalism and guns.
THE ONE is a socialist marxist that thinks the second amendment is for hunting.
Out of all McCains choices, there was no one better for McCain to “groom” for the continuancy of the conservatives in the presidency.
Ron Reale
realetybytes@yahoo.com
realetybytes.townhall.com
August 31 2008 / 1:21 am
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I dont have anything that you will post. You’re a fascist. McCain will bury this country in 4 years. Thanks for Bush by the way. 4000 military families thank you too.
August 31 2008 / 1:41 am
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I was one of those “disgruntled Hillary supporters” who was hell-bent to vote for McCain. After this obvious pandering stunt that I find truly insulting…Obama has my vote!
I’ll take my chances with a Democrat with 40% experience over an old dude with a history of cancer and a running mate with 10% experience. Alaska? Give me a break. Being pro-life, pro-guns and liking moose meat does not qualify somebody to be able to be President from day one. She was a Mayor of a town with a population of only 5000. She was Governor of a state with the smallest population ratio of all states for only 16 months and already, she is under investigation. How hard is it to bring reform to Alaska? This is a joke and I believe McCain will announce his real running mate at the convention. If he does, I’ll rethink my voting decision.
August 31 2008 / 2:54 am
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@ Ron, I can go tit for tat, for every negative you bring up about Obama and Biden, I can do the same for McCain and Palin (Keating, Affairs, Investigation, Scandals, Flip-Flops etc.) At the end of the day they are politicians and it’s about marketing yourself in the best light. I’m a pundit so, I’m not going to fall for the games. I am liberal because of what I believe in, equal rights, equal pay, pro-choice, universal health care, and higher taxes for the wealthy.
The only think that makes McCain better than Obama is that he carries out the issues important to you, but if you’re trying to convince me that McCain is a saint and Obama is the devil, then try again. At the end of the day Jesus wouldn’t vote for either men or either party. I guarantee if you look from behind your rose color glasses, you will see the Biden and Obama have some good ideas as well.
I would have voted for McCain, but he started pulling too far to the right for me, and I couldn’t hang on any longer. Qualities I like about Obama is that he’s highly intelligent, a devoted husband, very articulate and pensive. His campaign has proven that he can govern, and manage money very well,unlike Hillary. Things I like about McCain, is that he served this country with the ultimate sacrifice, and that he almost became a Democra….
August 31 2008 / 9:04 am
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Syntax,
Pandering? I have to chuckle. Obama’s whole candidacy is based around his skin color and that America is finally ready for a black man. Talk about pandering–it’s about assuaging liberal guilt and having an easy way to be done with racial politics in America.
If we want to go down that road, Hillary Clinton herself, was the presumptive nominee. She is more experienced than Obama, but not much. In addition, would she even have been considered if her last name wasn’t Clinton?
Like I said, I think we’re still a generation from having a lot of women to choose from. Sarah Palin is a good choice, but you’re right she’s inexperienced. She’s more experienced than Obama, though.
And she’s a natural fit. She’s a reformer. She’s conservative. And if there is pandering, it’s to the conservative base who McCain has routinely pissed off non-stop. Count me as one of those people. So, he was pandering to me as a conservative and libertarian and I’m sure glad he did.
The fact that she’s a woman is a bonus. It’s her work and reputation and ideals that I like.
August 31 2008 / 10:49 am
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Why not Kay Bailey Hutchison?
The GOP cannot afford to put a Senate seat at risk, especially one with some seniority.
August 31 2008 / 2:53 pm
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I am an Alaskan…
Blogging at http://fuanglada.wordpress.com/ I am devoting this week to finding and posting video interviews and tv appearances of our Sarah along with some cool Alaska pics. To whet your appetite… There is an Alaskan pumpkin that is voting for Sarah.
and
my Thai wife now wants to vote twice.
August 31 2008 / 4:08 pm
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McCain and Palin never worked for nothing in their sheltered lives. Neither one knows how many houses they own and neither one understands what it means to suffer. Maybe her retarded baby will get sick so that she will go back to Alaska and tale more naked pictures of herself.Yeah LOL !!!!
August 31 2008 / 4:57 pm
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Jesus heard my prayers with Palin! My wife and I are so excited by her as VP and possibly future President! Obama’s only real experience at negotiating after all is buying crack in the cabrini greens. His jive talk may fool the idiots who whore out at the alter of liberalism but real Americans vote GOP anyways and have fallen in love with their President and Vice President. Palin is a winner and deal maker.
August 31 2008 / 6:52 pm
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Not with the feminist up in arms.
August 31 2008 / 9:57 pm
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Thank you for clarifying pandering but that IS the point I’m making. You point out where Obama is pandering and yes, I agree that he is but does that excuse John McCain to be just as sleazy? I’m supposed to be OK with that? Am I that stupid? She’s not a reformer when after 16 months, she already is under investigation for corruption unanimously by Republicans and Democrats alike. Sounds like more of the same crap to me. But hey…she likes moose meat and fires guns. Lets make her a president shall we? She makes Dan Quayle look like Dick Cheney for God’s sake. Of all the qualified, decent candidates; Huckabee, Romney, Ridge, Hutchinson…lets pick Sarah “heck of a job Brownie” Palin! A woman who brought reform to a state thats barely freakin populated. What? The leader of Puerto Rico turn down the job? We picked her so we can pander to the fringe right? If true conservatives, independents and Republicans wanted to appeal to the fringe right, WE WOULDN’T HAVE NOMINATED McCAIN!!! We don’t give a crap about the fringe right! The fringe right cares about this woman because she is pro-guns, pro-life and eats moose meat! These are qualities to run a country to these morons. And yes, Obama IS more experienced. He’s actually in a state here with the rest of us in modern metropolis and not in a barely populated territory with a freakin budget. He’s actually been to Washington. She put out a memo to 6 people in the local government advising of procedure changes and you call that reform?
I still say this is a joke and that McCain will name Huckabee or Romney at the convention. If not, I’m voting for the people who have been here with the rest of us here in society and not the cancer history old fart and the moose meat eating Geico caveman. Reform my ass!
August 31 2008 / 11:22 pm
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Thank God it wasn’t Kay Bailey “lets gut the border fence” Hutchinson. She is the epitome of old politics and would have dragged the ticket into the mud. 87 percent of Americans stopped the immigration bill and demanded the fence be built, and this old hag gutted the money out. 87 percent of America would have told her to go do to herself what she did to us!
Ron Reale
realetybytes@yahoo.com
realetybytes.townhall.com
August 31 2008 / 11:38 pm
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Excuse me Mrs. Grapevine, you cannot possibly go “tit for tat” with negatives comparing THE ONE with McCain. THE ONE, to get started in Chicago, made a conscious effort to go to a terorist, William Ayers. The terrorist, America hating Ayers, got THE ONE started. THE ONE has hung out with this terrorist, who, on a personal level, tried to kill my dad. I do not believe we have ever had a president, or any politician in power, beholden to unrepentant terrorists for their position. As McCain never tried to kill my family members, you cannot convince me he is as dangerous as the sleeper agent, THE ONE. Every fiber of my body says THE ONE is a dangerous anti-American like Ayers, Wright, THE ONES wife and her friend Bernadette Dorn, former “most wanted terrorist. Let me make this real simple. No matter what the circumstances involved in causing the situation, I believe if McCain or Palin were walking through a hospital and came across a janitors closet with a newborn baby in it, amongst the garbage, struggling to survive, they would do everything in their power to help.
THE ONE would not only not himself help, he would argue against anyone else helping, and for the baby to die.
I don’t think you can go “tit for tat” with any of that.
Ron Reale
realetybytes@yahoo.com
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September 1 2008 / 12:56 am
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McCain does indeed has executive experience.
As a senior Navy commissioned officer , not only was he a combat strike fighter pilot and endured POW status, he later was the Commanding Officer of a large Navy squadron which included executive decision making, budget authority and personal management of 100s of people.
Besides his POW status and dozens of active combat missions, his plane was the one struck accidental by a missile and caused a large fire on the USS Forestall. Lots of executive decisions were made that day in saving that ship.
Its probable most governors or mayors who actually had to manage organizations have more executive experience than most senators (like Obama or Biden) but John McCain is an exception as he held executive posts before coming into politics.
September 1 2008 / 4:13 am
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You are one deep thinker honey.
Did you come up with this Beauty Contest Winner thought on your own?
Yeah, that’s why McCain picked her.
You’re delusional.
September 1 2008 / 5:01 am
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“I am liberal because of what I believe in, equal rights, equal pay, pro-choice, universal health care, and higher taxes for the wealthy”.
Hell of a belief system you got there. I’m a Conservative. I believe in Equal Rights and my Republican Friends in the House and Senate made sure to push through the 64 Civil Rights Act that the Democrats opposed.
Equal Pay For Equal Work is already the law.
Pro Choice – How about we compromise with Viability? Oh I know. Can’t do that now can we?
Kill em half way in and out the Birth Canal. Choice is such a timid word isn’t it? Your Choice is my Infanticide, AKA Murder. Hard to compromise with murderers. Obama wants babies who survive abortion to be left to die. You gotta love Compassionate Liberalism. Grandpa and Grandma better sleep with one eye open in case they become an inconvenience to the kids.
Universal Health Care. Good One. Medicare going broke with only what, 20 million people currently covered? Have you been tripping over dead bodies on the way to work? That is IF you work. Let’s ruin the best Health Care in the world for a Socialist Utopia. Look to England to see how that’s working out. People pulling their own teeth becaue Dentistry is part of the system. People flying here to get surgery that the Gubmint there won’t approve. They have Universal Health Care in Cuba. It’s a hop, skip and a jump from here. Anybody lining up for that? Didn’t think so.
Higher taxes for the Wealthy. How high is high?
You want the Wealthy to be Indentured Servants to the rest of us? SOMEBODY OWES YOU A LIVING?
Didn’t catch that in the Constitution. The Wealthy pay most of the taxes now. They pay a larger percentage of the taxes AFTER the Bush Tax Cuts than before. Revenue to the Gubmint have risen 37% with the Bush Tax Cuts. How high is high? Should we chain the Wealthy to their desks so they can produce more revenue that Liberals will waste with their Welfare State schemes?
I’ve paid about $200,000 to Social Security and Medicare in my 40 year working career. I’ll never see that money because I was diagnosed with Leukemia two years ago. I might make it to 62, or maybe 67 if I’m lucky. Who gets all that money I worked my tail off for, YOU? Yeah, that’s fair isn’t it? Can’t privatize SS because the Democrats have plans for that money. They hope the Golden Goose will die before he collects, and they know another fool will take his place.
LORD OBAMA WILL BE TRIUMPHANT AND THE SEAS WILL RECEDE AND THERE WILL BE RAINBOWS AND UNICORNS. We really are a Nation of whiners.
God help us.
September 1 2008 / 9:59 am
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You are wonderful. I could not have said it better! I hope and pray you live on forever!
September 1 2008 / 12:16 pm
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@ Ron, you sound like Ayers back in the day, all you have to do is substitute the American government for the words the One, and you sound just as ignorant as psychotic as Ayers. Barack did not seek out this man, Barack is not a muslim, and all these things you know already, and nor is Michelle, and most of all my point was that neither Barack nor McCain are better or equal to Jesus, they are human both good and bad…
You are the reason why the Republican party gets a bad rap, if it wasn’t for people like you, I think more Americans could see the true platform of the party, but instead it get lost behind ignorant people like you. Yes ignorant, you know the things you say aren’t true and yet you still say them.
It’s not even a Christian mentality, so never mind I won’t argue with the spirit of Ron. I’ll just say you’re right because that’s what you want to believe. So yes I concede, Obama is everything evil in the world and the span of Allah, and McCain is the sacrificial lamb to bring light to America. Duh! Why can’t most people see that, I guess we are just not enlightened like you. Ron is prophetic and has first hand knowledge of what is true and just. Sorry I fell to see that you are America, Ron, and I better not forget it
Sorry that I worship God and not politicians…
September 1 2008 / 12:43 pm
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@ God Bless America:
How is all that working out for you, now? Doesn’t Bush stand for all those things?
The problem is that only 20% of the nation are liberals, and 20% of the nation are conservatives. The other 60% fall in the middle, and pandering to one-side or one extreme will not serve this country. If Obama wins, 40% percent who lean more right will be upset, and if McCain wins 40% who swing more left will be upset.
As much as you feel you are so right, you can look at the current administration and see how all of those ideas won’t work, their has to be a balance between the two.
The truth is we are not accountable to Cesar, we are accountable to God. God’s law is not fallible, but Cesar’s is…When we go to heaven God only cares about our personal responsibility, and not who we voted for. The fact is Jesus would not be a Republican and Jesus wouldn’t be a Democrat. At the end of the day I feel your passion, but it’s simply that passion. I don’t worship Obama and I don’t worship McCain. I lean Obama because I lean liberal, not because I think he’s a savior.
Sorry that you have leukemia, my mom died last year of a rare sarcoma cancer at the age of 53. I’m the only child of single mother, and she died just after I gave birth to my son, so she held on just to see her grandson. I know what cancer can do to you, and most of her private investment went to saving her life, and even as she died, I had to pay off medical bills.
Luckily, she had group sponsored insurance, and they could have dropped her at anytime, but her employer loved her so much that he kept her on group even though she was unable to work and exceeded the statue of limitation. If she would have lost her group, she wouldn’t be able to get medicaid because of the waiting restrictions and her income, and even with group she paid so much out of pocket just trying to survive. See liberals are human too, and we care just in a different way.
Lastly, don’t put a limit on your life, you never know what God has in store, you will be in my prayers, and I will pray you have strength for the fight, and that God lifts you up…My mom was given 3 months prognosis with stage 4 of aggressive cancer, and she fought for 18 months…
September 1 2008 / 1:29 pm
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Alaska here… Melissa, do not worry about our Sarah. We do not call her Sarah the barracuda for nothing. Check my blog at http://fuanglada.wordpress.com/ as I am talking about her and linking to various blogs throughout the week. Sarah does not whine. Heh. The person to pity is poor Slow Joe Biden. He is the one who has to debate our Sarah and be compared to her.
September 1 2008 / 2:49 pm
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ACTIONS speak louder than WORDS. That is what this election is all about. Period.
What critical actions (if any) has Obama taken in his illustrious career? Well, he launched his political career at William Ayers house; he then chose to distance himself from his spiritual mentor (Pastor Wright)after 20 years due to his hateful rhetoric (“God damn America!); he voted “Present” over 100 times in the Illinois State Legislature, he organized communities in the Chicago ghetto (respectful and needed, but not a qualification for President of the USA), and most importantly, I wonder how many significant bills has he sponsored in the U.S. Senate… well, here they are:
109th Congress, Obama:
S.2125 : A bill to promote relief, security, and democracy in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack [IL] (introduced 12/16/2005) Latest Major Action: Became Public Law No: 109-456
S.3757 : A bill to designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 950 Missouri Avenue in East St. Louis, Illinois, as the “Katherine Dunham Post Office Building”. Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack [IL] (introduced 7/27/2006) Note: For further action, see H.R.5929, which became Public Law 109-333 on 10/12/2006.
Barack can certainly be loquacious, but what exactly has he accomplished? Enough said.
September 1 2008 / 2:59 pm
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Mrs. Gapevine, are you delusional? I defy you to find any mention of religion, or my implying that THE ONE is a muslim.
For you to deny that THE ONE sought out william Ayers upon his arrival in Chicago is to ignore the facts…o, I’m sorry, facts don’t matter to delusional people, but here goes anyway.
That THE ONE went to the unrepentant terrorist, William “wish I’d one more” Ayers, and that the unrepentant terrorist, who tried to kill my dad, held the first fundraisers for THE ONE, and introduced THE ONE to the most radical leftist elements of Chicago politics, is a fact.
THE ONE has used taxpayer funded, (my money and yours), to fund the unrepentant terrorist organization, which has lost millions and millions of our money.
THE ONE has funneled earmark (taxpayer) money to Chicago slumlord, now convicted felon, Rezko, who lost millions and millions of our money.
Do you think they really “lost” that money, or that THE ONE helped them steal it for their own personal enrichment and subversive activities?
Bill Clinton finally said something this week that I agree with.
THE ONE is a “two-bit Chicago thug”.
Please do not accuse me of making religious attacks against this America hating friend of terrorists.
I don’t need to. No matter what religion THE ONE is, He is a danger to America.
Ron Reale
realetybytes@yahoo.com
realetybytes.townhall.com
September 1 2008 / 3:04 pm
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Mrs. Grapevine, I would really appreciate your pointing out anything in my post that is not true. I would be happy to apologize and make corrections.
You spent a lot of time attacking me, but offered no example of a mistatement. Please get back to me at your earliest convenience, as it is very important to me to be as accurate as possible at all times.
Ron Reale
realetybytes@yahoo.com
realetybytes.townhall.com
September 1 2008 / 3:17 pm
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To the people editing the comments.
When you change something that reads “people that have actually been successful at it, whose ideals have won wars, brought down the Berlin wall and gave the chance of real freedom to 50 million people in Afghanistan and Iraq)…”, TO,
(except from people that have actually been successful at it), you completely change the meaning of the line, leaving the implication I was speaking of the current politicians only. It is quite different from my original thought.
thank you
Ron Reale
THIS WAS ADDED 25 MINUTES AFTER THE ABOVE WAS POSTED-RR
In the interest of accuracy, I find I was working with two drafts of my original statement, and it is possible I posted the wrong one. I don’t think so, because I’ve known me all my life and it would be so unlike me to make a mistake…HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
September 1 2008 / 5:56 pm
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OK, I must agree. Palin is a working class woman, hockey mom. We’re tired of the Ivy Leaguers telling us how to live. So let’s just get it over with, go down to Wal-Mart, grab the first person you see with a pair of shock absorbers and a 12 pack, and make them president.
That’ll solve the problem. Lord knows we don’t want our politicians to be smart or popular.
September 1 2008 / 8:01 pm
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For those of you that might want to see the unedited version of my post, “Yes THE ONE is Still Unexperienced”, please go to
realetybytes.townhall.com. I appreciate very much being able to post on sites like these. I have no problem with people editing my stuff, FOR ANY REASON, because this is their blog and they do not have to let me,(us), post anything.
Ron Reale
September 1 2008 / 9:15 pm
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Headlines:
An Ill Wind that Blows Nobody any Good?
A huff and a puff and away they went
George Bush, Dick Cheney, blown off of the stage
God truly moves in mysterious ways
His wonders to perform
Gone with the wind
Gustav has spoken,
The ripples of sand on a quiet beach
Pounded by Gustav, and battered by storm
The wind dies down, and the waters recede
The beach is as smooth as a baby’s ass
The sea as calm as the top of your glass
God surely is on the side of the Republicans. He must have had the date of the Republican Convention in mind, and he surely understood that the Republicans needed some help.
No wooden poles on stage to play against the back drop of the Convention of Democrats, which would play out poorly by comparison.
And no Sarah Palin on stage to espouse the cause of women, promote Juno, and give more voice to the die hard right.
And where is McCain?
Gone with the wind.
He will now come back as a nominee by Satellite, having compromised his campaign, for the benefit of the American people being hounded by Gustav.
A stroke of genius. Now if only he could get another Gustav to blow away his veep, all would be well.
September 1 2008 / 9:27 pm
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I am not sexist, just seems to me that Sarah Palin is on “family overload” that would make it difficult foh her to give public office of potential presidency the the kind of attention required.
A small special needs baby, and a teen aged pregnant daughter (five children and a sixth on the way). I am not smart enought to comprehend
September 2 2008 / 7:39 pm
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I honestly don’t know if Sarah Palin’s topless or nude photos are real or fake. I only think Sarah Palin can answer that question. I mean she already tried to cover up a state investigation, and now she wants to show the fact she was too busy being a good Christian career woman femminist that she had no time to tell her daughter about the birds and bees like a good mother should.
Right now I don’t know what to make of her. I wouldn’t be the least surprised if she was once a porn queen. Probably if she was she would still try to convince the American public that she is more in touch with the American people than Barack Obama.
September 2 2008 / 7:43 pm
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Bristol Palin is one fertile girl. She should make sure her boyfriend uses protection next time or perhaps can get on the pill. Born again hypocrites frequently will tell their kids about Christ and how evil liberals are, but fail when it comes to their own kids.
Mccain’s vision of America is beginning to seem more perverted and distorted than what we have seen for the past 7 years.
September 2 2008 / 8:17 pm
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God Bless you. In the days of so many cynics from both the right and left wing, there seems to be a lack of vision on both sides. I am proud to be a liberal and in the past 7 years we have been under attack, as being portrayed by those right of center as being insensitive and unpatriotic; I never stopped being Patriotic and my faith in common sense and human potential will help people like us to help make people like you, me and Barack and Michelle, victorious this fall and a chance to rest easy.
September 2 2008 / 9:02 pm
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Thanks Darcie. I’m doing OK. Been in remission about two years. The Leukemia will come back. When it does, more Chemo. When that becomes ineffective, we look into a Bone Marrow Transplant. No matching relatives, so it will be tough when the time comes. That’s life. My 85 year old Father, who by the way is in remission from stage four Lymphoma, always told me “There is always somebody better off than you and there is always somebody worse off than you”. He is a wise man.
I am grateful to live in this wonderful country and it infuriates me when half our population thinks that Socialism will somehow improve thir lives. Ignorance on this scale is beyond my comprehension.
Anyway, I’m the luckiest guy walking, and I appreciate your kind thoughts. Thanks and God Bless.
September 2 2008 / 9:11 pm
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Gee Dave really big of you to pick on a 17 year old girl. BTW – Governor Palin would only be a hypocrite if she forced her Daughter to have an abortion. Wouldn’t want her punished witha baby, now would we? How about you and all your liberal friends have a book reading party and look up the word “hypocrite” in the dictionary.
P.S. Did you buy the Daily Kos story about Governor Palin’s daughter giving birth to Trey?
You Liberals are one classy bunch.
September 2 2008 / 9:15 pm
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Dave Farley, your almost as classy as poster “Dave”. My reply to him goes double for you.
September 2 2008 / 9:19 pm
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by God Bess the USA
People flying here to get surgery that the Gubmint there won’t approve. They have Universal Health Care in Cuba. It’s a hop, skip and a jump from here. Anybody lining up for that? Didn’t think so.
You conveniently omit that there are travel restrictions preventing any excursions from the United States to Cuba.
But hey, who said accuracy was ever needed to drive home your point?
Here’s something you likely won’t agree with, and potentially make your brain hurt.
http://www.canadians.org/publications/CP/2006/summer/european.html
September 2 2008 / 9:20 pm
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by God Bess the USA
People flying here to get surgery that the Gubmint there won’t approve. They have Universal Health Care in Cuba. It’s a hop, skip and a jump from here. Anybody lining up for that? Didn’t think so.
You conveniently omit that there are travel restrictions preventing any excursions from the United States to Cuba.
But hey, who said accuracy was ever needed to drive home your point?
Here’s something you likely won’t agree with, and potentially make your brain hurt.
http://www.canadians.org/publications/CP/2006/summer/european.html
September 2 2008 / 9:31 pm
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Mrs. Grapevine – Thanks for your kind thoughts
Don’t have time to respond your reply to my original letter right now. Let’s just agree to disagree for the time being.
One point though, I look at President Bush and John McCain as RINOS. I agree with both men about 70% of the time, but I disagree with the modern Democrat Party 99% of the time. My friends call me a Conservative Libertarian.
The CONSTITUTION above all separates this great country from every other country in the world, and I feel blessed that our Forefathers
had the wisdom and bravery to offer real Change. Your Obama is a Marxist, and I don’t support anything he stands for. He is the same old, same old. I’ve been around a long time and I’ve seen them all. ANOTHER JIMMY CARTER IS THE LAST THING THIS COUNTRY NEEDS.
September 2 2008 / 10:09 pm
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i dont ever want to get famous.
September 2 2008 / 10:51 pm
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To By God Bless U.S.A.
What’s with all this God Bless stuff?
Please note that I agree with you comments alluding to the bravery and forethought of your founding forefathers (I am not American)
So why not embrace the constitution and and get rid of the bums in Washinton who continue to hold it in disdain for the benefit of their special interests, and religeous zealots?
Your constitutional fore fathers were crystal clear on the need for the separation of church and state. Now more than ever with the development of your pluralistic society, and tthe benefits your derive from your vast young immigrant population, your fore fathers have been proven right.
So take back your fifth amendment and show some respect for the intended interpretaion of the second.
You pledge allegience to your flag and allow your leaders to desparage what it stands for.
God bless America
FYI
I am a Canadian. I wrecked my roatator cuff, and am flying to good ole usa for some surgery which is free in my country, but in effect not accessible because i’m on a one year plus waiting list.
But hereis the twist.
I fly to San Diego, and am driven 20 minutes south to Tijuana, to an American owned facility
staffed by Mexican surgeons, who are happy to provide professional services to Americans (saving the H.M.O. tons of money)and an occasional Canadian Liberal.
I am sure Barack and his cohorts will not model universal health care on the Canadian model, you can do way better.
September 3 2008 / 12:29 am
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Hey Chad. That’s it? A friend of mine went to Cuba last year. Just flew through Mexico City. Big Wup. If you wanted the best Socialist Medical Care money could buy, isn’t it worth a stop in Mexico City on the way to paradise?
Like I said, a hop, skip and a jump.
I’ll check out your link. Thanks.
September 3 2008 / 1:02 am
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Robert, I have some friends that have gone to TJ for care as well.
As far as the Separation of Church and State, it is not as clear as you imply. In fact, that phrase does not exist in the Constiution. It came up in a Supreme Court ruling out of thin air, just like he “right to privacy” term made up when in the Roe v Wade Ruling. Activist Judges making stuff up, a Liberal wet dream.
The separation you are speaking of was to prevent the GovMint from imposing a State sanctioned Religion, not unlike the Church of England. It sounds like you are promoting the Libertarian ideal, which means the entire Socialist Platform of the Democrat Party should be scrapped. I would welcome that day
September 3 2008 / 8:31 am
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God Bless
Do you have a good health insurance plan?
FYI: The reason that so many American cars were built in Canda for so many years was mostly because the Big Three Auto makers did not have to provide health care for their Canadian employees. That more than offset other cost differentials between the two countries.
That will all change if the Democrats get elected, and follow through on their commitments to scrap NAFTA.
At this moment its all about winning the election, and don’t know where they will find the money to implement things like universal health care without first reducing provider costs (hugely), and means breaking shins.
There is no question that it can be done, but Obama will have to do a whole lot more than just eliminate tax breaks for the rich. There is only one place he can get it, and that is reducing military expenditurres.
U.S.A. spends more per capita on the military than any other developed country (many times over). He can pull out of Iraq, but those forces need to be re-deployed to Afghanistan or that mission will be an utter failure.
The British parliamenntary system is very different from your republic. I do not know the details, but generally, the British Monarch is purely symbolic; it has no executive power whatsoever. The Church of England is religious head of the Monarcy, not the Parliament. Parlianment is completely separated from Church.
All the executive power in our country (Canada) rests with elected members of parliament, whereas in your country executive powers rest with the presidentially appointed exec. branch vetted by Congress, or something like that. Our Canadian system of parliament is modeled after the British.
At the end of the day we’re not that much different from your system of government. Your pres has an incredible amount of exec. power. So does our Prime Minister via his small circle of appointed M.P.’s (Cabinet)
Both of us can throw the bums out of office at election time, but in between we’re largely victims of their decisons (or beneficiaries).
The difference between our countries is largely cultural. Our laws are determined largely by convention, and our political leaders historicaly have always ignored the religious leaders of the day, and basically written it out of our constitution and bill of rights. Any political leader that takes his direction from the pope would be turfed out of office. We allow him to run around in his pope mobile in the same way we escort the Queen when she comes to visit us, but that’s the end of it.
Our society is conditioned to the notion of group rights, versus your pre-occupation with individual freedoms, and the pursuit of happines on your own individual account. Yours is militarist nation, if you disagree, consider your defense budget. This may have to do with your civil war which was horrendously violent, and followed by the Boston Tea Party.
You also haave far and away the largest jail populatin of any nation on earth I think (per capita). Your gun violence is far far above that of either Canda or Britian on per population basis. We have way more restrictive gun ownership regulations than you do, but that alone does not account for the differential in “gun crimes”. Hand guns are being smuggled into this country by the thousands. We are awash in guns, and criminals won’t hand in their guns no matter how many laws you pass.
Ameicans would never accept the level of taxation that endured by Canadians they would revolt). Canadians will pay, but like you we don’t like to see hard eanrned dollars wasted.
Fact is that our “group right” mentality has done no more in protecting or promoting the preservation of ethnic cultures than “The American way”. Statistically individual groups that wish to protect and promote their cultures do so, and thos that don’t care dont. We have many examples such as your Irish population in Minnesota.
God Bless, you and I will never agree on issues that we glibly describe in terms of right and left. You and I would read the same constitution and walk away with different conclusions. We would read the same bible and walk away with opposite conclusions. The only religion I subscribe to is based on how we treat those around us that are less privileged than I am and / or less able to take care of themselves (how well I take care of them i.e, love your fellowman)either personally or as a society.
Thocracies frighten me, so the prospect of and an Amrican Congress dominated by the religious right is terrifying. They will shift the balance of your Supreme Court and alter your constitution in favour of more fundamentalist and religiously biased legislation. I’m guessing you are equally frightened by the prospect of the revers, i.e. a suprem court shifting in the opposite direction.
My view is that the escalating societal violence is caused largely by economic desparity between the rich and the poor, and the lack of a social network to improve the lot fo the poor. That is no different in our country, except that our network provides a little more. Neither of us will ever eliminate crime and the need for a police force.
I did watch a part of your current Republican Convention, and what struck me outside of the wooden poles addresses, was the almost complete absence of any visible minorities in attendance. Almost no African Americans, Asians, or Aboriginals. Everyone is white, middle income, singing from the same song sheet. The only Agenda was one of “Us or else, and the only thing on the Agenda was the flag and guns.
so that is my perspective, and you will say rah rah.
I will fight till the last dog dies to keep the religeous right out of our Parliament. You fight till the last dog dies to bring them in.
You will allude to theHoly Bible, and I will allude to Shakespeare namely “Discretin is the better part of valour” and to quote another source Societal Peace is worth what it costs.
We will not reconcile, so we will have religeous crusade, eccept instead of sword we have way better weapons.
Only problem for both of us, is that we will plunder our way to environmental extinction, and our wars will be academic.
The planet earth have been around for billions of years, and will survive, the species will not.
Enuff Enufff
and God Bless Amrica
You and I will never agree on
September 3 2008 / 8:38 am
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correction:
the Boston Tea Party preceded the civil war, an inadvertent error on my part.
I also did not refer to slavery because American Cosnstitution originally treated them like chattel. Slavery was sanctioned by the Bible, and not invented by the Americans. and it was the Britsh that exported slavery to their American colonies.
September 3 2008 / 8:42 am
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One more correction last one I promise.
I spell better than I type, so rely on spell check which is not part of this blog software.
sorry
rkf
September 3 2008 / 11:57 am
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Just saying, you guys really scare me. Palin was gov. of a state not even in the continental U.S. for two years, is being investigated for corruption for firing the guy who wouldn’t fire her sisters ex-husband, was member of a party that supported leaving the united states and has a daughter whose never heard of the word “condom”. You nuts have to realize that owning a gun doesn’t make you a republican, as a staunch republican do you guys even realize what these republicans are? they are democrats! Republicans are supposed to be about minimal spending and minimal interference in peoples personal lives. George W. has outspent all American presidents and has interfered in our personal lives more than any president in history. If you guys are gonna be republicans, live as one dont just believe you are one.
September 3 2008 / 12:06 pm
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Howdy doc-
Stumbled on your non-biased website by accident. What I really like is the non judgemental viewpoint that you and your minions have of us on the “left”. I’m actually a gun toting business owning father of three and a registered DEMOCRAT. How can this be? One word : BUSH. So far “maverick” Mcbush has not demonstrated that his policies will be any, and I mean ANY different than the previous 8 years. If you think the last 8 years are a good yardstick for measurement (Iraq stalemate, 4,500 dead troops, credit crisis, oil prices -great for my business by the way, torture issues, ad nauseum), then I suggest you remove your head from that stinky little orifice. Just in case you haven’t noticed, things suck around here lately. Believe it or not, many of us “liberals” are extremely unhappy about our choice this year, and there isn’t much we can do about it. However given the piss poor choices available to us, I will have to err on the side of the skinny guy. While I am conservative in a fiscal sense, Mcpain and Palin (especially) represent fundamentalist viewpoints that are woefully out of touch with that of most Americans. I laud her for being brave enough (albeit at her daughter’s expense) to put her family in the spotlight, but the bottom line is that she is too fringe (fundy, secessionist, vengeful-state trooper issue) to potentially be in the highest office in the land (if not world). McBush had many other choices, and shaking things up just for “shakings” sake is more of a stunt than a smart decision, and I think it goes to the core of his reasoning ability. America needs a fiscal belt tightening right now – less on war, tighter lending standards for homeowners (Bush deregulated lending standards in 2002 – look it up), true responsible energy policy, etc. Under Bush, government spending has actually GROWN (republican? I think not…). McPalin is not offering anything to indicate that this will change. If you think it’s bad now…
September 3 2008 / 5:01 pm
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Old impulsive men will get you into a lot of trouble.
Bright young men that are well educated, disciplined in their speech and actions, think before they open their mouth, have way more value than the foregoing. Flexibility of mind is a great asset.
Age simply exagerates the basic characteristics, it does not mellow them. Flexibility of mind is a great asset.
McCain appears to have nothing of substance or clear headed thought, he still lives his improsnment which is understandable, but I wouldn’t want him the office of pres. way to impulisve and imprudent.
September 3 2008 / 7:19 pm
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Sarah Palin is way more experienced than Osama, I mean Obama. To those that think is so wonderful, really take an honest look at him. Somebody has to pay for everything he keeps promising and if you think it`s not going to be the middle class, you`re as crazy as he thinks you are because you believe him. Same old politics – keep taxing the middle class because of the sorry asses who won`t look for a better job.
September 4 2008 / 11:18 am
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Jim
If you want all your financial resources to go into the military, and you want to continue atangonizing your potential international allies, and if you think barracudas make good ambassadors, and if you really think that sabotaging your own senators for the sake of keeping your beloved war hero idiot in office, well then put your trailer trash into the whitehouse
September 4 2008 / 11:19 am
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forgot
it should read “White Trailer Trash”
Her brand of sarcasm may sell on the floor of idiots, hopefully the electorate is a litle more moderat and little smarter
Obama is young and will keep learning and improving and won’t embarras you abroad
McCain is on a downward slide
idiots all
September 4 2008 / 11:55 am
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Mr. Robert K. Froese, as you admit you are not an American, maybe you should read the constitution before you mangle it. Take some time to study it and let us know were it talks about the separation of church and state. I would appreciate a foreigner teaching me about our forefathers.
On another point, when you can’t make a cogent argument, just call people names and insult them. It really makes you look inteligent.
BTW, Obama has already embarrassed us overseas.
In case you hadn’t noticed, the countries that gave us the hardest time, France and Germany, threw out their socialist appeasment governments that where in business with Saddam, and now have America loving governments.
Personally, if all of the dictators and non democratic countries in the world hate us, we are doing something right. We are a free people, of course what we do scares them. It should.
John McCain just won the election, probably by more of a landslide then Reagan. Relax, take a deep breath. If your not an American, you can now be sure America will still be here to protect you and the rest of the UN maggots when you get in a bind.
Ron Reale
realetybytes@yahoo.com
realetybytes.townhall.com
September 4 2008 / 3:08 pm
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Syntax:
Why do you assume McCain is pandering?? It’s insulting to Sarah Palin (and other conservative women) to insinuate that the only reason McCain would choose Palin is because she’s a woman. Maybe, as I beleive, McCain recognized a person of character, courage and conviction when he saw one (takes one to know one).
My experience is solid, if a bit brief, but experience is over-rated. You can have all the experience in the world, and all the knowledge in the world, but without wisdom and judgment, it means nothing.
John McCain demostrated courageous leadership in choosing Sarah Palin, and the powers that be in Washington, as well as CNN, MSNBC, etc. are terrified of a capable woman who does not fill their biased mold.
September 4 2008 / 3:17 pm
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Hey Ron,
I hear a lot of talk from you about namecalling – what’s up with the “maggot” remark. Smells like hypocrisy to me, but what should I expect from the party of lies. Catch Palin’s speech yet? There are about a half dozen lies in it as well, including how she defeated the “bridge to nowhere”. She wasn’t even on board until national sentiment turned against it. She also hired a lobbyist (spelled pork sniffing maggot) to grab $75 mil for her little backwater town. I guess this is her rejection of taxpayer money, right? As far as Obama not sposoring any significant bills, check out his cosponsoring on several Iraq and terrorism bills which passed (these were done bipartisan, incidentally). McLie spewed some crap about her getting more votes than Biden – turns out not true as well.
Maybe all of us could just accept that most politicians – and yes she is one- are lying cockroaches. They have ALL had there fair share of lies, and while we all sit here and piss all over each other about who’s team is better they continue to get away with murder (in some cases literally).
As far as the whole separation of church and state deal, I’m afraid that you’re just going to have to get used to the fact that some of us aren’t going to rollover and let you ram religion down our throats (or elsewhere). Last time I had this happen, it was in the military with a small group (spelled “minority”). I had a roomate who decided it was his mission in life to convert me into a baptist. Turns out his real mission was trying to get into the pants of my other MALE roomate. I have often found that the loudest, most vehement fundamentalists are hiding some major skeletons in their closets. The catholic church scandal should be enough to convince anyone that religion has absolutely no place in state affairs. Remember, Iran is a theocracy. Some model for government, eh? Is this what Palin and gang really want for our country?
September 4 2008 / 3:45 pm
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Where’s the topless Palin pics!?
September 4 2008 / 3:55 pm
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Mr Beale
Are you predicting a landslide victory for John McCain?
What are you predicting on the outcome overall on the mid term elections on the Senate?
September 4 2008 / 4:29 pm
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Mr. Beale
2nd Amendment:
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
If you put this amendment into context, of the cirumstances of time, and the fact that America did not have the defense forces necessary to protect the security of the newly freed state at that time, it was deemed to be a necessity of the time that the citizenry of this new state were called up to bear the burden of repelling “the enemies (primarily the British at that time. If you take a purist interpretaion of the “shall not be infrigned”, then in that event all citizens sane or insane, shall forever have the right to bear arms.
“Arms” is all inclusive and again if you take a purist interpretation every single American would be entitled to Assault Rifles,and if you take it to the extreme, that would include nuclear weapons.
If you read the amendment in context, I would argue that America has all the defence forces it needs to secure and maintain the freedom of the state, and the “non infringement” component of that clause can therefore be interpreted and or adjusted to reflect the former.
I would add another componenet to the argument referring to the fact that the current interpretaion of the 2nd amendment is actually causing you some internal security issues having nothing to do with the “external” security of the state which is presumably the referenced intended in the language of the amendment.
With respect, I submit that Shakespeare said it better “discretion is the better part of valour.
September 4 2008 / 5:24 pm
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Mr. Beale
Attached is an excerpt from your Fifth Amendment
Habeas Corpus
habeas corpus n. Law A writ issued to bring a party before a court to prevent unlawful restraint. [<Med. Lat., you should have the body] Source: AHD
The basic premise behind habeas corpus is that you cannot be held against your will without just cause. To put it another way, you cannot be jailed if there are no charges against you. If you are being held, and you demand it, the courts must issue a writ of habeas corpus, which forces those holding you to answer as to why. If there is no good or compelling reason, the court must set you free. It is important to note that of all the civil liberties we take for granted today as a part of the Bill of Rights, the importance of habeas corpus is illustrated by the fact that it was the sole liberty thought important enough to be included in the original text of the Constitution.
I’m asking you to make a cogent argument for the right of America to hold prisoners for years without any charges laid against them.
Quote me chapter and verse of your constitutiion that allows your President to arbitraly suspend the rights of people taken into custody by American forces.
“Habeas Corpus
habeas corpus n. Law A writ issued to bring a party before a court to prevent unlawful restraint. [<Med. Lat., you should have the body] Source: AHD
The basic premise behind habeas corpus is that you cannot be held against your will without just cause. To put it another way, you cannot be jailed if there are no charges against you. If you are being held, and you demand it, the courts must issue a writ of habeas corpus, which forces those holding you to answer as to why. If there is no good or compelling reason, the court must set you free. It is important to note that of all the civil liberties we take for granted today as a part of the Bill of Rights, the importance of habeas corpus is illustrated by the fact that it was the sole liberty thought important enough to be included in the original text of the Constitution.”
September 4 2008 / 8:42 pm
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Mr. Beale
Re: your comments on Separation of Church and State “Take some time to study it and let us know were it talks about the separation of church and state. I would appreciate a foreigner teaching me about our forefathers”.
Thomas Jefferson didn’t use the words “separation of church and state”, he referred to “a wall” and I will find you the rest of that text. There is the constitutional inhibition of legislation on the subject of religion. The constitution specifically forbids Congress to enact legislation on matters of religion, and I believe Amendment 14 ties the states into the same inhibition. I believe your forefathers understood that it was better to have a good all encompassing gernal clause than to be specific and then have fundamentalists pick it apart, because somebody’s pet religious rite had been inadvertently forgotten. I believe your constitution does not even define religion for the same reason. They were certainly smart enought to do that, they chose not to be specific and for a very good reason.
Only a liturgical hair splitting cleric could possibly come to the conclusion that there is no intended separation of church in the constitutional amendments.
Fundamentalists read their bibles, Korans, and Torahs in the same way Bible belting fundamentalists read their holy bible.
I beleive the bible to state clearly that you are to render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are Gods.
Doesn’t that mean separation of church and state?
And if you want to legislate Christian fundamentalist values and beliefs into your consitution, then which ones are you going to pick?
If you go into the old testament you would be obligated to re-introduce slavery, among other things. If you take into account the new testament you would mold your swords into ploughshares. That means you would have to unwind your defence department.
Turn the other cheek the good Lord has commanded you to do that. Problem is that if the meek shall inherit the earth, its unlikely they will keep it for long.
I will get you Thomas Jefferson’s text, don’t think the text I’m referring to is contained in the constitution, but it certainly tells you what he had in mind with respect to separation of church and state.
On a personal basis, I am not right or left, I believe you have had some very good Democrat Presidents and some very good Republican presidents. For your information I was appalled when Barack Obama committed to the continuance of the Faith Based innitiatives founded by Geoge Bush. I’m sure he will find a way to define the involvements that at least on a technical basis will preclude clerics from using the funds in prosyletizing activity, I’m guessing that will cost him some votes.
There is no cogent argument I can make that will persuade a hard core fundamentalist to change a pre-conceived notion of anything nvolving his / her faith based mind set.
I love Americans; I do not like fundamentalist zealots of any stripe, and most pointedly I don’t like theocracies. Bible in one hand, a gun in the other and they will democratize a nation that does not want an American sytle democracy; that’s what happend in Iraq.
and Barack was right
September 4 2008 / 9:06 pm
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Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his god, [the people, in the 1st Amendment,] declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.
September 5 2008 / 11:51 am
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September 5 2008 / 12:01 pm
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Mr. Froese, nice try, but there is still no ” separation”, or “wall”, in the constitution by our forefathers, as you said. That came through interpretations in the last century.
The peoples right to bear arms is absolute, and was put there by men who had just had to fight of there government.
It is specifically there to end any future government through armed citizenry, should the necessity arise again.
The last time I looked, the war powers act, or the october act, which predates the recent patriot act, gives absolute power to the executive in the matters of war and prisoners. As we have been operating under the war powers act for years, not the constitution, (which was suspended by FDR on March 6, 1933-It’s called the bank holiday for some reason – so any habeus problems are moot.
Google the words “executive Orders” and then look up Executive Orders #2039 and #2040.
Then you will see why none of this matters.
The yellow fringe around the American flag is proof. Look up what that fringe means, sir. The flag our president uses to represent us is NOT the American flag, and if you’r interested, as a non-American, to see how we lost our country, please check “Executive Orders”, or find where they exist in the Constitution. (trick question because they DON’T exist constitutionally, because they make our leader a king. Really.
Ron Reale
realetybytes@yahoo.com
realetybytes.townhall.com
a Dr. Eugene Schroeder has written extensively on the suspension of the constitution.
rr
September 5 2008 / 12:06 pm
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Mr. Froese, the only thing congress can’t do with religion is prohibit it, or establish one over the other. That was what our forefathers wanted, not the interpretation of religion hating aclu types.
Ron Reale
September 5 2008 / 12:14 pm
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So you, a foreigner, think our country has a secure enough state to change our founding documents. That is why you will never understand Americans. Do you remember the riots in France when the islamic fools attacked for days because of cartoons? The islamic fools, (I would call any group rioting over cartoons fools), rioted and kiled people all over the world…except here. We would have shot them down like they were rabid dogs. That is what our guns are for. Everyone in the world knows they can’t pull that here. We do not depend on our government to secure the state, because they can’t or won’t. Mexican border, anyone?
Ron Reale
September 5 2008 / 12:22 pm
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Wimpyleft, the maggot remark pertains to the 180 or so countries in the world that are non democracies ruled by kings or despots or commies that aren’t worth our sweat that we have to deal with because we are involved with that embarrassment on the banks of the east river in NY. Anyone wishing to change this country to one of these socialist garbage dumps is a maggot. Any foreigner that thinks it was so great the way it was in their country should consider going back, not changing the US to a garbage dump like they left. Our unemployment level and economy are head above most of the world, and the people in countries doing better aren’t coming here to cry.
Ron Reale
September 5 2008 / 12:34 pm
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I think we can finally say we see the liberals for who they really are. Mean, ugly, unfair and sexist.
September 5 2008 / 12:47 pm
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BTW, anyone who thinks I am “pushing my religion”, (I am NOT religious AT ALL), or that I like McCain, my past blogs at “realetybytes.townhall.com” will easily dissuade you of those misconceptions.
Ron Reale
September 5 2008 / 12:56 pm
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Mr. Froese, yes, I have been predicting a landslide for McCain, because I figured that after labor day, when people pay attention, there would be an investigation into the millions of dollars in taxpayer money THE ONE gave to the unrepentant terrorist William Ayers, (who, on a personal level, tried to kill my dad), and the populace would turn from THE ONE. (we have never had a politician beholden to terrorists before, and I don’t think the American people will appreciate the fact that terrorists ran THE ONE’s first fundraisers and guided his rise in leftist Chicago machine politics).
Obviously, with millions in tax dollars missing, THE ONE was a worthwhile investment for them. What else does he owe them?
I expect the senate and house will be lead by the democrats, unfortunately.
Ron Reale
September 5 2008 / 5:00 pm
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Mr. Beale
I am not a constiutional expert, and don’t pretend to be one. I read English, and even understand that even in America your courts do refer to and rely on precedents. Your Supreme court inerprets and rules and over rules opnions of lower courts based on the collective sentimetns of court as a whole.
I don’t know the details, but quite recently your Supreme Court overruled Washington DC’s attemtped control on guns.
Can we just agree to disagree on such issues as religion and constitutiontal matters? In any event as you point out, I am not American, and admit that I got a little carried away as a result of my complete inability to understand where you are coming from. What I think doesn’t matter and I am not so arrogant as to think that I could change your mind, so I must repect your position even if I don’t agree with it.
Notwithstanding the foregoing yor comments “We do not depend on our government to secure the state” are too radical for me to digest, and respectfully, I will abandon this blog for that reason.
regards
Rob
September 5 2008 / 5:46 pm
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Hey Mel!
You’re gettin’ lots of mileage out of this Palin business, aintcha! I went online looking for nude pics of Palin and somehow wound up on your website. Imagine that! (Ha!)
I predicted the Palin pick. I was not surprised. I was telling my wife and a friend over dinner a few days before the announcement that McCain needed to pick someone younger and either female or minority or both to counter the “historicity” of the Democrats’ ticket. I thought a young, attractive female governor would be his best bet, not only to counter his own stodgy personality and relative homeliness, but also to give women voters someone to identify with.
Basically, Obama is capitalizing on all the free publicity and enthusiasm that he has generated by being “the first black man.” Hillary would have had the same kind of publicity if she had been “the first woman.” The Democratic Party has been promising big change in its two frontrunner candidates for months. McCain looked like more of the same old, white, male Republicanism. He had to do something dramatic to propel himself out of Obama’s shadow. I think it worked.
Palin is having an interesting effect on the election. In this nation which loves everything young and new, Palin has managed to make Obama seem very much like yesterday’s news. You get the feeling that Palin is the energy behind the Republican ticket now. McCain is just sort of running as her grandfather to give her a few pointers and show her the ropes for the first four years. The duo has a Charles-and-Diana kind of dynamic. He’s the stuffy old blue-blood who legitimizes his partner and whom the public more or less grudgingly acknowledges. She’s the star. It’s like Eisenhower and Mary Tyler Moore.
Palin’s “freshness” also contrasts markedly with Obama’s carefully crafted coming-from-outside-the-beltway persona. She’s REALLY from outside Washington. You can’t get much farther away, unless you’re in the Frigate Shoals or someplace. And she’s really an accidental politician. Whatever Obama’s claims to novelty, his present position on the national stage was very much the result of deliberate, directed effort to ascend that stage. Whatever his claims to humble beginnings, he’s nevertheless a Harvard graduate, wealthy lawyer, and resident of an upscale Chicago suburb.
Palin, on the other hand, seemingly inadvertently followed some overachieving, mom-in-charge impulse until she accidentally wound up in the governor’s office. She doesn’t seem very far removed from the PTA. And that’s good. It’s hard to ascribe cynicism and duplicity to a young woman who simply hasn’t been a politician long enough to have gotten far from her roots as an ordinary person.
This is plain because she was still able to recognize that a luxury jet and personal chef were unnecessary absurdities for the governor, which Alaskan taxpayers should not have to pay for. A more seasoned politician (like “Krimey” Kilpatrick of Detroit) would have viewed them merely as well earned perks.
Well, I’m not sure who I’m going to vote for. I was considering McCain before he picked Palin, and I’m happy that it appears he’ll be competitive now. Also, since it seems that the Iraq war will end in the next presidential term, regardless who’s elected, that issue is off the table.
My hot button issues are the debt, the deficit, and the economy. I want to know which of these candidates understands what has happened to this country financially for the last 8 years — both at the citizen level and at the government level — and has a detailed plan to fix it.
If all the Democrats can offer is “green jobs” and “tax increases for the wealthiest Americans,” then I say, “Kiss my ass.” If all the Republicans can offer is “free trade” and “tax cuts” then I say, “Go to hell.”
I want to hear someone talk about some aggressive goals to cut government spending, balance the budget, return to budget surpluses, pay down the debt, and find a way to put more Americans to work in unskilled manufacturing jobs to produce more of the things we need and buy every day, from toothpicks, t-shirts, and toasters to tableware, TVs, and telecommunications products. I don’t want to hear any more about tax credits to help help displaced workers “retrain” for “21st century jobs of the future.” The jobs of the future are the same jobs that are making China one of the fastest growing and most productive nations on the planet.
As Gary Snyder said, “[A]ll of us will come back again to hoe in the ground, or gather wild potato bulbs with digging sticks, or hand-adze a beam, or skin a pole, or scrape a hive. We’re never going to get away from that. We’ve been living a dream that we’re going to get away from it, that we won’t have to do it again. Put that out of our minds. We’ll always do that work. That work is always going to be there.”
The sooner politicians in the U.S. get it through their heads that we need that work here for our people to do, the sooner we can get to work doing what needs to be done to make that happen.
Anyhoo, just wanted to rant. How ya doin’?
Lorne
September 5 2008 / 7:02 pm
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Mr. Froese, I understand and thank you for admitting it is hard to understand an armed populace, as opposed to almost all the others. We the people are the government. We are the final line of defense of the state, as our forefathers meant. They also never meant to treat religion in the antagonistic manner it finds itself in. There is a big difference in what they meant, (the federalist papers), and what aclu types have wrought from our courts.
Please follow up on the executive orders, I think you will find it quite interesting to see how a free people can lose their way. Thanks for the give and take, and my last name is Reale, not Beale:-)
take care
Ron Reale
Ron Reale
September 5 2008 / 9:35 pm
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Thank You Mr. Reale
Here’s the deal:
Obama wins I get your Uzzi
McCain wins I send you a case of good Canadian Ice Storm Beer, (it will knock your lights out sitting in the dark).
I’ll come back to this blog on November 5th and we’ll do the trade.
If you insist on even odds, then in that event I’ll take the AK47
Deal?
Regards
Rob
September 5 2008 / 10:50 pm
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Rob,
To parphrase one of my heros, the great Charlton Heston, “you’d have to pry my gun from my cold, dead, hands”…no matter who wins!
I’d be happy to give you gun safety instructions and take you shooting, though.
How’s this?
If you win, you drink the beer,
when I win, you drink it with your friends and congratulate America.
Ron
btw, did you make it through any of my blog? Opinions apppreciated, more so from those that may not necessarily see things in the same light.
rr
September 6 2008 / 8:57 am
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Ron:
Charles Hesston; a great actor; he played Moses in “The Ten Commandments”, He could play God with that voice of his (he probably did).
Michael Moore would not make poster boy for the N.R.A.
Ron there is precedent for gun / beer trades between CA and USA, goes back to the Korean war, when your troops were sent to Korea without beer, and ours were sent without guns.
I do get it, guns are off the table.
Truth be known, I’m way more afraid of religion than guns.
FYI
I have a six inch double edged throw knife, in my dresser drawer. It’s a keepsake for me; I disarmed a paranoid schizophrenic who should not be carrying a knife.
The only gun I ever ownd was a 303 army surplus Lee Enfield, with a long stock, and a clip of steel jacketed bullets. I was probably 20 yrs of age and wanted to go deer hunting. I went hunting just once, couldn’t bear to shoot an innocent deer, and other hunters in the bush scared me out of the bush.
I then tried shortening up the stock, and blueing the barrel, but the thing rusted up on me, and ended up trashed.
I did a very brief search on exec orders by past pres, and noted that there are literally thousands of them, didn’t have the time do any meaningful research.
I think I got at least a general window on the extrordinary power vested in your President, and the reluctance on the part of congress to do battle on such orders.
Ron, its virtually my first attemtpt at blogging, and I learned a lot.
I think we represent opposite ends of the ideolgical spectrum, but let there be no doubt, that I would want to be next to you in the trenches, and if I’m physically threatened I want you in my corner.
We all love Americans when we’re under fire.
Documentation, constitution / executive orders / working papers etc.
You and look at the same stuff, from different vantage points (I think). I look at everything with a view to find holes and use the holes in support of my pre-conceived ideas about how society ought to function.
You look at the same docuemtnation with a view to pluggin any holes someone like myself would want to use, in order to attack or weaken the rights to which you passionately cling to.
So we haave to stick to beer,and safer topics.
I totally agree with your focus on responsible use, handling and storage of guns. A gun isn’t much use in the hands of someone who doesn’t know how to use, and or even worse, isn’t prepared to use when necessary. Also an individual who isn’t phsycologically conditioned to use it is better off to rely on someone like yourself.
enfuufffffffff
regards
rob
September 6 2008 / 9:54 am
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Two things, Rob. First I turned down the trade, not because of the gun aspect, but because I do not drink! (grew up in the sixties, dontcha know).
Second, I never expected you to read all the executive orders, just their history and power, (all the pres has to do is say “I do this by executive order” and it becomes law), and the fact that if our president can use executive orders, (which he and all the others do, quite prolifically), then that is proof the Constitution has been suspended, (by the traitor Roosevelt, March 6, 1933), and we now have a king.
Take care, and write me about how screwy my blogs are:-)
Ron Reale
realetybytes@yahoo.com
realetybytes.townhall.com
September 6 2008 / 11:00 am
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Dear Ms. Clouthier – Me personally…I don’t want someone who is “just like me” or a “working class mom”. For the most important job in the world….quite frankly, I want someone who is better than me. Way better.
Just scanning your blog…wow, it is an amazing den of hate.
Have a nice day.
September 7 2008 / 2:04 am
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if you cannot go all the way, go half way twice.
Do you know where I can buy lipstick for my pitbull.
September 7 2008 / 9:29 pm
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Newsflash. McCaine/Palin now lead Obama/Biden by 2 points!
Sarah Palin’s favorabilty ratings now exceed McCains AND OBAMAS
September 10 2008 / 10:57 am
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Senetor Palin was only chosen for the womens vote. If Hilary was chosen VP for the democrates, McCain had another choice on hand. The reason Palin doesn’t step in front of reporters is because she is going through extensive training on how to answer all the questions she’s going to be asked. She is AMAZING at reading a speech!! But start asking her questions at this point she will fold like a beach chair. Sorry to disappoint you Palin supporters but she’s not the real deal!
September 10 2008 / 1:06 pm
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Hey Inside Source,
You don’t think THE ONE, is going through the exact same training? Did you hear the unanswers to some hard questions on O’reilly, or his “above my pay grade” answer about whether a newborn baby on a cart is alive? If she were to meet him, right now, they would both know very little about foreign affairs, and she would wipe the floor with him on everything else.
He even tried to equate the facts that Sean Hannity brings up every night to the disgusting lies on KOS and HUFFINGTON, hoping people will just accept his blatant lies rather then checking out those outrageous sites.
He lied about his connections to the terrorist Ayers, whom he has funneled earmark, (taxpayer) monies, which of course disappeared, to pay him back for starting him in politics.
He lies over and over.
She has people from all points in her past standing up for her.
He hasn’t brought anyone from his past, except the ones he has lied about recently as he throws them under the bus saying, “why, thats not the person I knew…”
Ron Reale
realetybytes@yahoo.com
realetybytes.townhall.com
September 11 2008 / 4:54 am
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Give her support! She is going to do such great things for our country!
September 12 2008 / 3:05 pm
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She will make a great v. Pres. We cannot allow Obama become pres. He will take the country down. AS Vice Pres she will do allot for our country she has a great out look and will do great.
September 13 2008 / 10:09 pm
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As to what right? The POTUSA, Abraham Lincoln, suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War and NOBODY questioned his authority as the president holds the authority. What right do you have to question the keeping of war criminals……..you’re a law student or a dim attorney? or just a brain dead live-at-home-in-yo mamma’s basement– blogger. You have the right to ask but nobody owes you and explaination as it would be over your head by more than inches anyway. Who asks such moronic questions? Mightycline
September 19 2008 / 1:35 am
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This woman (Sarah Palin) is the perfect illusion now for many middle American women and those undecided. Her celebrity-ism is getting more focus now than the entire election. We live in a sad country, in a sad time, when we focus on someone being “just like us.” Last time I checked, the Vice President of the United States is an exceptional position. I don’t understand the Obama arguments of being “elitist,” if you look at his background, where he comes from this proves that accusation entirely wrong.
Sarah Palin, to me, is serving her mighty party well now, she has made this race even closer, she will continue to, as we continue to talk about her “down to earthness” and her “up-do” hair and hunting style. Why do we make even our politicians into rock-stars now? On both sides.
I remember in 2000, the appeal of George W. Bush to many of the same people that are now so taken by Ms. Palin, was that he was a “common man,” someone you could “have a beer with.” A “common man” who comes from a mega-oil conglomeration worth billions of dollars, someone who went to Yale, whose father was President… A”common man” as President. We are that stupid, aren’t we?
Don’t forget, John McCain is still running for President….I don’t think he’s “just like you” considering his wealth.
Please middle America, don’t fall victim to this simple yet genius ploy by a party watering down their schemes from the past eight years and serving it to you in a diluted form that is a woman from Alaska with “family values,” rhetoric you can comprehend easily and social conservative ideals.
It scares and saddens me that we vote on hot-button issues….on “likability.” Likability? Why? Are we that surface-based??
I guess so.
September 20 2008 / 8:19 am
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To all you right wing, gun toting, bible belting zealots, please note that as of the end of this week, you are all socialists.
Your government has just bought out all the debt accumulated by the unbridled deregulated capitalistic greed, of the last eight years, of an administration “under God”.
You now have the worst of everything, Complete government control of your economy, the ultimate of socialism but without any protective umbrella that should come with socialism, such as universal health care.
If it wasn’t so tragic I would be laughing.
Historically a militray was governed by stomachs (food supply lines)
Currently the military is governed by their oil supplies
an M1 tank .6 miles per gallon
A C5 Galaxy requires 60,000 gals. per fuel up
will burn that in about 4 hrs.
Your feds don’t know the value of the assets they just bought, they will hide the facts until the eledtion is over
they also don’t know how they will fund the purchase of all this debts
Do you really seriously believe that Americans will buy these bonds at 2%?
The chinese won’t either.
So the markets went up, because your feds told the market they can no longer short sell, so the smart investors will trick you into believing the market is coming back just as long as they need to get themselves the hell out of he market. They will in effect trade places, so that when the market really collapses, it will be the taxi drivers and ordinary working stiffs, holding the bag. So once all the “working stiffs’ have been blown away they will come back and buy your economy back at bargain basement prices. so has it alwasy been.
So hang onto your guns, you were right all along
the state cannot protect your interests
i was wrong.
September 26 2008 / 11:53 pm
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I heard someone imply that sexist men made more money. I wish I could believe that. Sarah Palin is a fuckin knockout and if you can be a sex object with no brain I guess you can win an election. Russia being in the back of one’s house makes it possible for one to have foreign policy experience in Alaska.
I guess if the old guy dies this classy lady is president, I am moving to Canada. If the AMerican mentality can be so fuckin stupid, than I guess we Democracy can wither away. It is gradually falling away and it is up to people like you and I to fight to keep our freedom and put country first. Fuck you all Mccain and Palin
September 27 2008 / 4:03 pm
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September 27 2008 / 4:04 pm
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Hey Dave Farley, don’t let the door hit you on the butt on your way out. Now, if you could convince the rest of you o so superior liberals to go with you, America could continue being the greatest country in the world.
The problem is, your a liar, like Baldwin and Streisand, and you only say you’ll leave. Be a man and keep your word.
September 28 2008 / 7:31 pm
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Thomas Jefferson said it best, “If the American people ever allow private
banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by
deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around
the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children
will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.” The
“bailout” of Wall Street will kill Main Street.
October 2 2008 / 8:24 pm
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i totally saw the topless photos ahhahahaha
October 3 2008 / 3:05 pm
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I wish I had a mom like Sarah. Go Sarah!
October 4 2008 / 6:38 pm
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Sarah is a heartbeat away from the Presidency, and given the four cancer scares her superior has had, this puts her odds quite high of actually assuming the Presidency. That the Republican party could so shamelessly put forward a candidate so utterly lacking in global political stature and so lacking in any understanding of the larger policy issues is shocking enough, but the candidate has subsequently shown herself to be unable to lead policy and instead simply parrots positions of the platform. Such a candidate is absolutely unfit for office, and she should be removed from the Republican Party platform rapidly in order to restore some confidence in the Party’s goals for this great nation. Finally, I suggest all our fears are succinctly summed up by this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abZLjIpHzj8
October 6 2008 / 10:43 pm
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Mr. Michael
You are the cancer not the cure. Sarah Palin and McCain (aka: The Keating Five) research that please. If you have known facts about the VP you so highly respect, then please refer to the corruption of her contributors and how she has left Alaska in more debt than when she first began her term. Did anyone watch the debate and not realize that if we have another George Bush or moronic Alaskan Gov. as President/Acting President, this country can actually reach a new low. They say one president cannot change the entire country for a long period of time, G.W. has proved that statement false. Please perform some research before voting people, this is an obvious choice here…When has a Republican president helped you out in the last decade, wait, the last 3 decades? Notice how Republican presidents force war with America and another country (must be plenty of WMD’s or maybe more faulty intelligence). I award you no points Mr. Michael and may God have mercy on your soul.
October 6 2008 / 10:49 pm
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Ron
You are closed minded. You voted for George Bush Jr (TWICE), seriously, did you truly believe you were making an educated decision? Look where this country is now, you must be naive to think he was good for this country. Why don’t you make fun of Bill Clinton or something for attempting to impeach a president for some work head…you are a sad individual that divides the country. McCain voted for 92% of every issue Bush Jr. voted, Palin is completely dumbfounded and has no idea how to work a DVD player, let alone help fix a country (WINK, WINK)
You are a true Maverick Ron Burgendy
October 8 2008 / 6:06 pm
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Open letter to the American people who can actually think:
Your country is in crisis and your government and regulators have very little room to move: With official interests rates at 2% and your federal government running a massive deficit, you are more vulnerable to economic ruin than even Iceland…
…And you are seriously considering someone like Sarah Palin for VP? You may think that she is a down to earth, breath of fresh air…But no, the global community would never again take the US seriously (if it still does?), with someone like Sarah in the White House.
The problem you also have is that voting there is voluntary. George Bush gets to be Pres with less than 20% of the potential vote? OMG! Thats not democracy! Here you get fined if you don’t vote so at least most people do have a say in who gets elected here.
Imagine February, and Sarah is in the VP’s office, John McCain’s chemo stops being effective and the keys to the nuclear arsenal and to Fort Knox get handed over to Sarah. Think about it for a minute! Any sane person would shudder at the possible consequences.
I have many many Republican friends in the US, many still in the armed forces, and just about all are going around shaking their heads in disbelief. they feel disenfranchised.
So best of luck after November. And by the way, The Australian Consulates in the US are taking record numbers of applications for migration here, and we are by no means in a good state either.
Steve Asprey
Sydney, Australia
(formerly from CA)
October 8 2008 / 6:57 pm
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Mr. Aspey, the fact that “the world community” is bothered by anything the US does is “Tough Sh”. Most of the world community you admire so much are despots and criminals. The Capitalist system, which Dodd, Schumer, Franks, and Obama have been trying to destroy will rebound. 17 times since 2001 the Bush administration tried to stop the current crisis, and both they and McCain were rebuffed by the corrupt dems in charge.
Palin has more experience then THE ONE, and none of it supporting radical, teach children to revolt and kill their parents, terrorists, as THE ONE did funnelling grant money to the disgraceful, unrepentent piece of garbage Ayers.
I hope her choice makes all the countries in the world realize that conservatism is alive and well in America, and if they don’t like it they can go fornicate themselves.
God Bless President Bush, and The United States of America, and keep us strong enough to protect the rest of the world, and keep freeing oppressed peoples (50 million, recently)
October 8 2008 / 9:25 pm
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Gee, that was a good reaction. I think we’ve found a closet member of the Illinois Militia or those boys on the stone bridge in the first Blues Brothers Movie. Were you in it?
Not God Bless America…it should be God Save America (from people like you).
October 8 2008 / 9:55 pm
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I wondered where McCain got the expression “THE ONE” from. I didn’t realize McCain’s connection to Illinois Milita, make sense.
October 8 2008 / 10:53 pm
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Being from Canada, I have a non-US perspective on this election. The Republicans frighten Canadians, and thinking people around the world. In the guise of ‘protecting’ democracy (yeah, right) they have been the most beligerent of administrations. The US is a conundrum to other Western countries, and YES, there are other countries in the world. So much God-thumping, real or pretend, makes Canada and Europe very suspicious of the US. Americans who actually go abroad further than Puerto Vallarta know what I’m talking about. They know how the rest of the world worries about the recklessness and sometimes childishness of the US. They have worried for years about the over-consumption, over-spending, over-reaching, overbearing, and overweight (figuratively and literally) US. Now, with the prospect of a naive, backwoods amateur (Palin) for VP, and the prospect of yet another Republican regime, the rest of the world is not just amused, but terrified. McCain may be an honest man, a sincere man, and even a good man, but he is part of the Republican machine which is so devastating. Bush, bless his cotton socks, is beyond inept and were he not so dangerous, he’d just be the laughing stock of the planet.
October 8 2008 / 11:35 pm
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Hail the Canuk. Well said. I like this discussion.
I have nothing against the US. My father fought beside them in New Guinea in ‘43, I did in Vietnam in ‘70, and Australia and Canada are doing so right now in Iraq and Afghanistan. But that does not make the extreme right wing agenda of the republicans legitimate.
Bush jr is an unmitigated embarrassment and disaster, and an apologist for the establishment who are scared stiff that Obama will get elected and spoil their cosy trans generational White House party.
These people think that the Dems are “left wing”. You want to see left wing? Go to North Korea. The dems are if anything a bit right of center.
Did you know that if the US had not waged war in Iraq, the entire US population would by now have free medical and hospital care with the use of the money. Think about that choice, voters.
The US will pull out of Iraq in 09/10 and it will go back to where it was 10 years ago…a country of warring tribes only held together by an army of 600,000 and a whole lot of oil that the West wants. Whats missing now is the army of 600,000. They are now the insurgents. To think that the US thought they could win with 150,000! Get serious!
The US went in like the naive they are, on the white charger, but with no occupation or even exit strategy. Bush senior should have let Schwartzkopf finish them off in 92, but he wimped out as it actually meant man to man combat. It was only when an Aussie General, Jim Molan, took charge of military operations in Baghdad in 2004, that Fallugia was won over and the insurgents put under pressure. He told the US military that the infantry was actually going to have to fight with guns, knives and fists to win it. The US admin did not like that at all…no. But the US actually did do that to their credit…just 8 years too late. They are still doing it and just holding on.
You see in Australia and the UK, young men and women join the armed forces because they want to be trained to kill people. Thats the deal. Thats why they join up. Thats what soldiers do.
In the US young people enlist to get a pay packet and a safe career, not to actually fight and kill. It comes as a terrible shock that the rifle they have been issued with will actually get used.
This is why the rest of he world is bemused at the US and why the US has lost prestige and influence. I’m sure, given the choice, the world would prefer it not to be so.
As we say down here…Fair Dinkum!
October 8 2008 / 11:52 pm
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I have to say, I’ve never met such a militant Aussie – not even when I was drunk in the bars in Cairns, Townsville and Darwin! Not sure I agree with your assessment of why Americans go into the military. If anything, signing up in the US means a much higher likelihood of seeing combat than for either the Aussie or Canadian military. That being said, both our countries entered the Second World War immediately (because of links to Britain/Europe), while the US sat on the sidelines for a couple of years and got lots of cash for selling supplies/munitions to the Allies. Yes, there were Allies long before the US got their feet dirty. Incidentally, Britain only just finished paying off the US about two years ago. Most Yanks probably don’t know they were wartime moneymakers before they were attacked at Pearl Harbour. Many still believe they won the war, when in fact, it was the Russians who took the punch out of the Axis army. But enough of that. Some Canadians actually wish they had a two-party electoral system like the US. I’m glad we don’t. Our election is next week, and even with five parties involved (four if you don’t count the Bloc Quebecois), we still don’t have a decent selection. The US has just two and neither choice is appealing – unless you’re looking for someone to send the country back to the dark ages with no choice of abortion for women, creationism taught in schools, trade barriers, drilling in pristine Alaskan wilderness, etc. Then you have a choice.
October 9 2008 / 1:41 am
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I mainly agree. Yeah, Jim was a soldier alright. He really rattled the cage…His book is really interesting.
You guys were never troubled by the Japanese. We were. We celebrate the battle of the Coral Sea every year, and it forged the ANZUS Alliance.
But I have to say, the guy enlisting in Smallville, Kansas because there are no jobs, is not told he will most likely see action. Nor are the reservists. But they know now.
Heck, we only have 8,000 troops capable of going into action in the whole army. But here when you volunteer, at the very first session with the recruitment guys, you get asked: “Are you prepared to kill or be killed”. Its the same, Army, Navy or Air Force. To get into the SAS here it goes even further…these guys are lining up to have a crack. Bit of a worry.
Happy 5 way elections…I hate politicians.
Steve
October 9 2008 / 11:22 pm
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hey, I’m also canuck
a bleeding heart liberal canuck i am
For some time I have tried to wrap my mind around this growth of this right wing, bible belting, gun toting right wing fundamentalism, and came across the answer inadvertently.
It is in the demographics. Republicnas have more babies, lots more babies than Democrats.
Republican babies grow up to vote Republicans; its that simple.
“No child left behind” “every sperm is sacred”
Drill Drill Drill baby
Breed these damn Democrats into extinction
GWB in effect has given Osama Bin Laden everything he didn’t get on 9 / 11.
Your civil liberties.
Your political center
and now finally your money
If it wasn’t so tragic, it woudl be a Shakespearian Comedy.
He has fueled the growth of terrorism all over the middle east. Hamas is democratically elected, and throughly entrenched, they will never make peace, atleast not in our life time.
enufffffffff
some real comedy
all you illinois militia, whose life revolves around your second amendment to your constitution, and hold to your guns because you don’t trust your government to provide for your secruity: you guys slept on your guns, while yur government socialized your economy, and left you with a socialist state, and without health care.
Again, it if wasn’t so sad, it would be uproariously funny.
“don’t shoot me”
October 9 2008 / 11:27 pm
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hey, I’m also canuck
a bleeding heart liberal canuck i am
For some time I have tried to wrap my mind around this growth of this right wing, bible belting, gun toting right wing fundamentalism, and came across the answer inadvertently.
It is in the demographics. Republicnas have more babies, lots more babies than Democrats.
Republican babies grow up to vote Republicans; its that simple.
“No child left behind” “every sperm is sacred”
Drill Drill Drill baby
Breed these Democrats into extinction
October 13 2008 / 5:38 am
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A self appointed pit bull and part-time slut, Sarah Palin, the white trash vote getter may be willing to suck and fuck her way into the presidency. .
October 13 2008 / 11:43 am
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Dear Ann, your classy argument has convinced me!
Obviously, with such an intelligent argument, how could someone disagree?
Your parents must be so proud of the depth of your intelligence.
It is too bad they did not agree with your brilliance and abort you, but I guess they realized early that the world would need your leadership and guidance.
It must be so cool wallowing in the liberal mud from which you crawled to teach us how wrong we are.
Please do not make us wait long for your opinions, the world needs to see just what you and those like you are so proud.
Your crass vulgarity is why you are so afraid of a WOMAN and MOTHER, (you should look up the meaning of those words, then maybe you will see why Americans like her), and maybe you could learn something from a successful, professional woman…maybe…but I really doubt it, as you are such a closed-minded pig.
October 14 2008 / 6:27 pm
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Who opened Pandora’s box? The contents have been released. Politics, race, religion. To all concerned, your allowing your emotions to control your actions.The road we are all on will come to a dead end with unwanted sacrifices. All of us will be touched and hurt.There is no stopping this, it has been opened, heaven help us.There is no hope, it is being clouded with hate. Oh great one, please stop the world, I would like to get off.
October 18 2008 / 10:29 am
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Sarah Palin’s association with Pentecostal Christianity
Do also note that while most news media, liberals, democrats had wrongfully belittled Sarah Palin’s association with Pentecostal Christianity, this actually next gave her more publicity, exposure and better still even next more support from many Christians. Not what the demons had expected or hope for for sure. The bashing of her religion was clearly a great mistake on their parts. Obama wishes he got so much coverage now as well..
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/10/18/many-jump-to-conclusions-make-opinions-before-hearing-all-of-the-facts/
October 18 2008 / 4:18 pm
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Oh please…don’t start on the religion. I’m an atheist and quite accepting of the fact that I will die and turn to dust…just like the plants, animals and birds and non christians that won’t be allowed into heaven for whatever concocted reason laid down by some old geezer generations ago, who could only think up Adam & Eve as a way to explain how we got here. fair Dinkum
November 3 2008 / 2:05 pm
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Eat your heart out Pelosi! And there is no plastic surgery!
November 3 2008 / 3:42 pm
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Like her or not, vote for her or not, she’s hot. There’s something very sensual about a 40 something attractive woman. She’s got that look in her eye which says “I’ve got a good body and lots of passion. Her husband is a lucky bugger, that’s all I can say. I bet he keeps his mouth shut at home and when the lights go out and the children are asleep, he gets his reward for loyalty. That makes a good marriage last.
But VP? Nah.
November 5 2008 / 12:31 am
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I am not gloating.
I am delighted
(Obama win)
November 5 2008 / 7:01 am
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It is so quiet in here
wonder why
November 7 2008 / 1:05 am
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This is unreal, is this even legit. It looks just like her.
http://www.warriorrun.com/sp-video/
November 10 2008 / 9:16 pm
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for the comment about the downs child Palin has.There’s a downs child in my family that we love and was NOT any kind of mistake.So why don’t you give me your home address so I can meet the a@@#*%$ that wrote such and idiotic comment personally? I’m a member of the “Order of the Sons of Light.” I.R.A
August 30 2009 / 3:49 am
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I don’t know about all of you. Obama is a commie Nigger.
August 30 2009 / 12:36 pm
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Mr. Kroese, I would appreciate your pointing out in our founding documents ANY reference to a “separation of church and state”. Our references to thanking God flow from our getting our unalienable rights from our Creator.
The reason you and others want to strip us of God is because if you can decide He does not exist, then our rights come from the government and men, who can take them away.
Been there, done that, prior to 1776.
I’ll keep thanking our Founding Fathers and their respect and devotion to the Creator that protects and guides this great country.
Ron Reale
realetybytes@yahoo.com
realetybytes.townhall.com
August 30 2009 / 12:46 pm
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Mr. Anthony Waters,
I’ve always wondered about something. Do you put sheets on your bed, or are the ones your wearing enough? How do you keep that pointy hat on your empty head?
The lack of any intelligent argument on your behalf, and your falling back on the crudest of comments as you did, says more about you then the victim of your attack.
While I personally believe he is a traitor and an enemy of America, and I and others can make arguments to buttress our beliefs, your exposing your intellectual vapidity for all to see, weakens any legitimate argument you might think you are making.
Your mother must be sooo proud.
Ron Reale
realetybytes@yahoo.com
realetybytes.townhall.com